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Bowstring Badass · Mar 03, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

There's a reason people run cookie cutter builds as opposed to original builds. The cookie cutter builds will be more effective most of the time.

You post your build on a forum, expect criticism. If you don't like people telling you that the cookie cutter builds are better then your build, keep the builds to yourself.

Sadly, I agree here.

@ the OP Grenth's Avatar no longer strips enchants... (does anyone read the updates anymore)

Faer · Mar 03, 2008, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

[skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Bull's Strike[/skill][skill]Shock[/skill][skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Sprint[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill] > your build

arky is not mitey ;o

i herd Body Blow owwwnzzzzzz?

Trvth Jvstice · Mar 03, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

@ Yukito Kunisaki, Are you winning more than you are losing? If so, post your win/lose ratio. Every new build probably met the same criticism initially, keep up the good fight and keep trying new builds. If people didn't do what you're doing, we would never get the next "cookie cutter" build. Does everyone think that the builds you know now are the ones we'll be using forever?
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EDIT: I mentioned win/loss ratio, for convincing results you would have to record win/losses over a long period of time. It would take a pretty good amount of wins over losses to convince folks that the build is viable. Even then, some will never be convinced unless a Savio, or Ensign type Posts the build.

Arkantos · Mar 03, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

@ Yukito Kunisaki, Are you winning more than you are losing? If so, post your win/lose ratio. Every new build probably met the same criticism initially, keep up the good fight and keep trying new builds. If people didn't do what you're doing, we would never get the next "cookie cutter" build. Does everyone think that the builds you know now are the ones we'll be using forever?

That's a horrible way to determine if a build is good or bad. You can run a shock axe, face a lot of anti melee, and lose matches. On the other hand, you can run a bow warrior, face a bunch of bad people, and win matches. That doesn't make shock axe bad, that doesn't make bow warrior good.

A new cookie cutter build isn't made by someone putting together skills and RAing. It's more complex then that.

Skyros · Mar 03, 2008, 01:04 AM // 01:04

although there are alot of things i disagree with the build that other people have alrdy addressed... i still see this working in RA... its got damage, condition removal (still think mending is superior to plague but thats up to you), some sort of self heal, and some buffs. I dunno if you meant this as a serious gladiator point farming build or not but as a just a fun thing to mess around with...

lets just say ive seen worse.

(still no res sig == no no)

Yichi · Mar 03, 2008, 06:03 AM // 06:03

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

...I switch to Chor's Axe for some massive damage which caught me by surprise. That 80AL is VERY susceptible to elemental weapons wasn't something I expected...

You've supposedly played a warrior since Prophecies and didn't know to use elemental damage vs another warrior?

nem coke · Mar 03, 2008, 12:03 PM // 12:03

And he used Frenzy since Prophecies was out and he still fails at using it.

Bobby2 · Mar 03, 2008, 06:58 PM // 18:58

The best W/N I've encountered used a standard Shock Axe build with Plague Touch instead of Shock. His bar pwns yours, and Shock Axe pwns his bar.

EDIT: Faer is rite Body Blow> Exe

Div · Mar 03, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

What's to stop someone from just kiting you when you activate flail? You won't be able to evis/exe right after, requiring an additional hit before the combo.

Bobby2 · Mar 03, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

It's RA... lolwutzkitin? Something about bad skills being good against bad players...

I'll always love Flail for PvE (and occasional AB

) though

Yukito Kunisaki · Mar 03, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Yichi

You've supposedly played a warrior since Prophecies and didn't know to use elemental damage vs another warrior?

Actually I've never fought other warriors due to going after softies first and didn't decide to hunt down an elemental weapon until recently.

Warrior on warrior is frowned upon, at least back in the day and to me, it's still pointless. I suppose if one has no choice [no idea why aside from the whole team being dead] that you can attack another warrior with an elemental weapon.

Even before, I'd just avoid warriors and rush down casters like a damn beeline. Unless of course, the new game involves going after warriors cause their so damn easy to kill...

In any case, good posts all for what it's worth ^_^ At least some try to think outside the cookie cutter while all others are telling me to just use the old molds, again... and again... When most of my build is using said molds... gah*

Bobby2 · Mar 03, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Right. Never fought other Warriors in RA. Eez liek magick.

Indeed the good parts about your build are the cookie cutter skills. Here's the breakdown.

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Eviscerate {E}
Executioner's Strike A known great spike. Though Body Blow offers more damage/adren.
Wild Blow Epic, horrifying phail. Way to kill your adren.
Flail Something to be said for it being an RA build. Bad players don't kite. Against a remotely skilled player, you'd wish it were Frenzy - not even considering the fact that Frenzy doesn't hamper your adren build.
Lion's Comfort HealSig>LC.
Rush You're a funny man...
Plague Touch I like this skill.
Rend Enchantments This over a rez? Thought not. Try AB.

Let's see. Evis-Exe, your main kill spike, adren dependant. Yet you drain adren like a mofo between Rush AND Flail AND Lion's AND *gasp* Wild Blow. 'Focus on dealing damage', my a**. A Shock Axe could unleash the spike thrice before you have time to build for your second.

Strangely tempted to bring kittens into the argument... but I won't.

Yukito Kunisaki · Mar 03, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Right. Never fought other Warriors in RA. Eez liek magick.

Indeed the good parts about your build are the cookie cutter skills. Here's the breakdown.

Let's see. Evis-Exe, your main kill spike, adren dependant. Yet you drain adren like a mofo between Rush AND Flail AND Lion's AND *gasp* Wild Blow. 'Focus on dealing damage', my a**. A Shock Axe could unleash the spike thrice before you have time to build for your second.

Strangely tempted to bring kittens into the argument... but I won't.

Um, is Shock Axe build the only PvP axe allowed? Cause if it is, I'm sorry for suggesting something new.

All of your things mentioned have a problem... I believe you think I spam them religiously. With 9-10 strength, I need only to Flail around what, every 10 seconds? I don't rush unless my foe runs I don't spam Rush. And I rarely need to Lion's Comfort. Oh yeah, and spamming wild blow every time they're NOT blocking me is what you do obviously. Like your spike will hurt someone using a 75% block on you. When people are KD'd, can they still block? *may have missed that update*. If people can NOT BLOCK when KD'ed, then I take it back, and need to squeeze Bull Strike in there somehow. However, I'm under the belief that KD foes can still block... I'll do more damage than you by using Wild Blow and then landing normal strikes, than you using spikes and normal strike being blocked...

Evis. Exe strike shouldn't need to be used more than 2x to kill someone and I can manage my skills better than you obviously.

For bringing 8 skills on my skill bar, I apparently HAVE to spam them? I don't need advice from you...

[DE] · Mar 03, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Shock Axe is one of the most effective PvP warrior builds in the game. It's been around since Prophecies and it's still extremely strong. It has great utility, great DPS, and is just all around great. That's why it's always compared to shit builds - to show the OP how good their build really is (or isn't).

Bobby2 · Mar 03, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Um, is Shock Axe build the only PvP axe allowed? Cause if it is, I'm sorry for suggesting something new.

You wanted people to rate your build. To rate, one must set a standard.

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

All of your things mentioned have a problem... I believe you think I spam them religiously. With 9-10 strength, I need only to Flail around what, every 10 seconds? I don't rush unless my foe runs I don't spam Rush. And I rarely need to Lion's Comfort. Oh yeah, and spamming wild blow every time they're NOT blocking me is what you do obviously. Like your spike will hurt someone using a 75% block on you. When people are KD'd, can they still block? *may have missed that update*. If people can NOT BLOCK when KD'ed, then I take it back, and need to squeeze Bull Strike in there somehow. However, I'm under the belief that KD foes can still block... I'll do more damage than you by using Wild Blow and then landing normal strikes, than you using spikes and normal strike being blocked...

Wow, what a story. Yes, KD'd foes can still block. Thanks for obliterating any shred of credibility you may have had, by the way. But the proper response to a foe using a block stance or enchantment is to switch targets and unleash your spike upon some hapless victim who hasn't pre-protted against you yet.

Note that the Shock Axe can KD a Monk out of casting Guardian. Pwnzorz.

Kiting > Flail, and therefore Frenzy > Flail.

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

For bringing 8 skills on my skill bar, I apparently HAVE to spam them? I don't need advice from you...

Waittaminnit, I value usefulness over pseudo-creativity? Don't take my words as advice; I know you'll never learn. Someone else might, though - sure beats having just your posts as a guideline.

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Evis. Exe strike shouldn't need to be used more than 2x to kill someone and I can manage my skills better than you obviously.

ZOMGTHX4TEHLULZ

MEEEEOOOOOOOWWWWWWW

Adam of Tyria · Mar 04, 2008, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Actually I've never fought other warriors due to going after softies first and didn't decide to hunt down an elemental weapon until recently.

Warrior on warrior is frowned upon, at least back in the day and to me, it's still pointless. I suppose if one has no choice [no idea why aside from the whole team being dead] that you can attack another warrior with an elemental weapon.

*

You said this was for RA? Usually in RA once you're done killing soft chars you go for the others, which could be a warrior.

Personally me, and it seems like a lot of other people think that even though you've been playing for so long, you don't really know what you're doing.

yum · Mar 04, 2008, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Actually I've never fought other warriors due to going after softies first and didn't decide to hunt down an elemental weapon until recently.

Warrior on warrior is frowned upon, at least back in the day and to me, it's still pointless. I suppose if one has no choice [no idea why aside from the whole team being dead] that you can attack another warrior with an elemental weapon.

Even before, I'd just avoid warriors and rush down casters like a damn beeline. Unless of course, the new game involves going after warriors cause their so damn easy to kill...

Plz read the description on the armor -_-

And I bet you've never heard of linebacking and opportunistic spike. And training one target till its dead is terribaed.

Also, using range weapon to recharge your rush will significantly reduce your DPS, which is baed.

Sha Noran · Mar 04, 2008, 01:39 AM // 01:39

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Um, is Shock Axe build the only PvP axe allowed? Cause if it is, I'm sorry for suggesting something new.

It isn't about what builds are allowed, it's about what builds are better than others. Just because you post long winded arguments (which tend to hurt you more than they help, I'd say...) does not make you less wrong.

The things people are trying to tell you aren't opinions, but facts, that have been tested multiple times, and can be seen as likely accurate due to the high number of players using certain builds.... information which is easily available to every player with Guild Wars installed, via Observer Mode.

... also, your insistence in considering Random Arena a realistic environment to determine overall PvP build efficiency makes me sad.

blue.rellik · Mar 04, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Um, is Shock Axe build the only PvP axe allowed? Cause if it is, I'm sorry for suggesting something new.

There's rend axe which is pretty powerful

not so newb · Mar 04, 2008, 05:43 AM // 05:43

This wont be to good without res sig lol.